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    It's time to build a new computer and I'd like to take advantage of some of the latest and greatest tech on offer but I know that means I risk componentry that may not yet be well tested for compatibility.

    I need to determine a solid Motherboard choice.

    This will need to be an ATX board for an i9 and the newer m.2 SSDs. Obviously at least 64gig of RAM etc., but it seems that pretty much all the "x299 and up" Motherboards will do that.

    The 1st BAD issue I'm encountering is that the new Motherboards in this class from ASUS, MSI, and others seem to be experiencing MASSIVE hardware defects over the past 18-months. Brand new DOA boards replaced by DOA boards... USB and Ethernet ports DOA... memory slots DOA... and of course- all of the above failing in the first year OR LESS.
    Is this industry wide? Or is there some holdout brand out there that is actually delivering decently made boards? (I've noticed there's a huge increase in Power Supply DOAs this year too - even from the top brands.)

    The 2nd issue I'm hoping to avoid (Assuming I can get a working Motherboard) is compatibility for running Resolve.
    I know there are a lot of perfectly great motherboards that my be fantastic for gaming or other high intensity applications - but that the specific needs of NLE's like Resolve and Premiere Pro sometimes are not met by what is otherwise great hardware.

    So...anyone gone up against this dragon and beaten it?
    Do you know of any makes and/or models that are at least below a 15% DOA rate in the first year?

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    I was Gigabyte fan for many i7 core generations but starting from 2011 their boards became lower quality and less stabile. Few months ago i updated to i7-8700k and choose Asus Prime Z370-A motherboard. I was impressed with better build quality, better fan management, better overclocking options and some useful add-ons like CPU holder and additional VRM fan mount. Design is better. So i can suggest Asus Prime series (or higher) for i9 CPU. Don't go for lower level motherboards because they use less effective CPU power circuit (less power VRM lines). Higher level motherboards makes cense only for ultra extreme overclocking.

    BTW i9 are not always best price vs performance investment. Lower i9 models will not outperform i7-8700k normally overclocked to 4.7-4.8Ghz. For real 2-3x render performance boost compare to i7-8700k you need overclocked 10 core i9 or normal clocked 16-18 cores model. People calm that i9 run very hot, even without overclocking people suggest water cooling. Also i9 don't have integrated Intel GPU so you don't have 8x performance boost for hardware H264/h265 encode/decode.

    6 core i7-8700K (overclocked to 4.8Ghz) = 1550 Cinebench score
    10 core i9-7900X = 2350 Cinebench score
    18 core i9-7980XE = 3404 Cinebench score
    18 core i9-7980XE (overclocked to 4.6Ghz)= 4448 Cinebench score
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    Quote Originally Posted by shijan View Post
    I was Gigabyte fan for many i7 core generations but starting from 2011 their boards became lower quality and less stabile. Few months ago i updated to i7-8700k and choose Asus Prime Z370-A motherboard. I was impressed with better build quality, better fan management, better overclocking options and some useful add-ons like CPU holder and additional VRM fan mount. Design is better. So i can suggest Asus Prime series (or higher) for i9 CPU. Don't go for lower level motherboards because they use less effective CPU power circuit (less power VRM lines). Higher level motherboards makes cense only for ultra extreme overclocking.

    BTW i9 are not always best price vs performance investment. Lower i9 models will not outperform i7-8700k normally overclocked to 4.7-4.8Ghz. For real 2-3x render performance boost compare to i7-8700k you need overclocked 10 core i9 or normal clocked 16-18 cores model. People calm that i9 run very hot, even without overclocking people suggest water cooling. Also i9 don't have integrated Intel GPU so you don't have 8x performance boost for hardware H264/h265 encode/decode.

    6 core i7-8700K (overclocked to 4.8Ghz) = 1550 Cinebench score
    10 core i9-7900X = 2350 Cinebench score
    18 core i9-7980XE = 3404 Cinebench score
    18 core i9-7980XE (overclocked to 4.6Ghz)= 4448 Cinebench score
    Wow. Thanks for the info mate. I should have guessed you would have a mountain of tech knowledge about this!

    Yeah, I just talked to someone else who said the same thing about i7 vs i9 CPUs, Good to know.
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    What do you plan to do with it Stewart?

    3D Rendering needs a different build than, editing/color - Resolve only really benefits from a super beefy CPU, when you work with RED files, for BM raw material, spending the money on a better GPU gets you way more performance.
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    Yep, for Resolve it is better to spend money for more powerful OpenCL/CUDA GPU than 18 core i9 processor. For example $3K for Nvidia Titan V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
    What do you plan to do with it Stewart?

    3D Rendering needs a different build than, editing/color - Resolve only really benefits from a super beefy CPU, when you work with RED files, for BM raw material, spending the money on a better GPU gets you way more performance.
    Ah, indeed - This is for Resolve primarily. GeForce GTX 1080 Ti going in initially. The X299 ATX boards allow this build to be significantly upgraded in the future, a 1080 Ti today, a pair of Titans and a higher level i9 down the road.
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    It's easy to run out of PCI lanes, and building yourself a nice bottleneck with those new Intel CPUs.
    That's why I go for a Threadripper for my next build - 64 lanes go a long way :-)

    Here is my part list, if this is any help

    Board: Gigabyte X399 Designare EX AMD X399 So. TR4 Quad Channel DDR4 ATX
    CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X 12x 3.50GHz So. TR4 WOF
    RAM: 32GB G.Skill Flare X schwarz DDR4-3200 DIMM CL14 Quad Kit
    Case: Inter-T ech IPC 4U-4410
    GPU: 8GB PNY GeForce GTX 1080 XLR8 OC Gaming Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (probably switch that to a 1080 TI)
    Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3
    Power supply: 800 Watt Inter-T ech Nitrox Nobility Modular 80+ Silver

    I go for a SSD for the OS and programs, and a SSD for cache.

    The rest goes on a 15 TB RAID 0 on a RAID adapter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Glencairn View Post
    It's easy to run out of PCI lanes, and building yourself a nice bottleneck with those new Intel CPUs.
    That's why I go for a Threadripper for my next build - 64 lanes go a long way :-)

    Here is my part list, if this is any help

    Board: Gigabyte X399 Designare EX AMD X399 So. TR4 Quad Channel DDR4 ATX
    CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X 12x 3.50GHz So. TR4 WOF
    RAM: 32GB G.Skill Flare X schwarz DDR4-3200 DIMM CL14 Quad Kit
    Case: Inter-T ech IPC 4U-4410
    GPU: 8GB PNY GeForce GTX 1080 XLR8 OC Gaming Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 (probably switch that to a 1080 TI)
    Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3
    Power supply: 800 Watt Inter-T ech Nitrox Nobility Modular 80+ Silver

    I go for a SSD for the OS and programs, and a SSD for cache.

    The rest goes on a 15 TB RAID 0 on a RAID adapter.
    Nice. Thanks Frank!

    Yeah, looks like this "Threadripper" is getting a lot of attention.
    The 28 or 32 PCI-E lanes was bothering me.

    But I found this in-depth benchmark testing by Puget Systems that demonstrated the i7-7820X outperformed the AMD CPUs in pretty much every category for half the price of the i9s. This was all done on PREMIERE PRO not RESOLVE, but it's the closest I could find to our specific needs.

    Here is just one of the performance charts and then the link to the full article:

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    FULL ARTICLE IS HERE:
    https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...i3-8350K-1047/

    Pretty comprehensive test.
    Unless I'm missing something, the i7-7820X seems to be the sweet spot for value.
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    It ain't that easy.

    Premiere is famous for it's crappy use of GPU, it does much more on the CPU, while Resolve does most of the heavy lifting on the GPU.
    No mater if you go Intel or AMD, from my experience, usually less fast cores are better, than more slower cores, when it comes to editing and coloring with Resolve.

    Also it depends heavily on the material you use.

    3RD is very CPU intensive, even in Resolve, so is h264.

    When you use BM raw on the other hand, the CPU usually gets bored.
    It starts playing poker with the RAM, or watches porn in the background, while you are editing.

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    [QUOTE=Frank Glencairn;251055]It ain't that easy.

    Premiere is famous for it's crappy use of GPU, it does much more on the CPU, while Resolve does most of the heavy lifting on the GPU.
    No mater if you go Intel or AMD, from my experience, usually less fast cores are better, than more slower cores, when it comes to editing and coloring with Resolve.

    Also it depends heavily on the material you use.

    3RD is very CPU intensive, even in Resolve, so is h264.

    When you use BM raw on the other hand, the CPU usually gets bored.
    It starts playing poker with the RAM, or watches porn in the background, while you are editing.


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    Gotcha.
    I thought I remembered somebody saying that RESOLVE was utilizing the hardware quite differently.

    I may just step down to an i7-7700X with a less expensive motherboard for now and wait for the next generation of CPUs to come out before moving to a more complex platform.

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