Thread: We who prefer 2K Super 16 over 4K+ Super 35 - The *unofficial* Super 16 RAW thread

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    Yeah, I think the speed of the market shift to 4k was a major consideration in Digital Bolex ceasing production of the D16. They were evaluating sensors for a next gen 4k version, but as of now nothing satisfactory is available off the shelf to a boutique builder Like DB. Looking for similar properties to the Kodak sensor for refined wide gamut color, global shutter, usable clean DR of 12 stops or better in RAW. Sony has some potential candidates in their 1" class 4k backlit sensors, but those are not available over the counter.

    As my user name suggests, I am a big fan of the S16mm sized camera formats in general. I like the aesthetics of it and the potential for compact camera and lens systems of moderate weight. One of my zooms is a classic Angenieux 12-240 f/3.2-4.8. Equivalent to approximately 35mm-750mm range on an ff35 format. Makes a very practical birding package for day hikes with my D16. No lens changes needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Be satisfied with what's available.
    Now that's a great way to halt progress.
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    A clip to remind us of how well footage from the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera may look in the hands of a true artist:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Who gives a s__t... I look at the picture on the screen, that's how I make my judgements... all this technical BS is counterproductive and reinforces the marketing of more and more product.. Be satisfied with what's available and take the power away from the boardroom...
    I agree. As an anology (and diagnosis of my mindset) I still watch my DVDs and Blu-rays on a over a decade old DLP projector, which has a native resolution of 1024 x 576, i.e. 16:9 standard definition. It can recognise upscaled HDMI signals up to 720p and 1080i; I prefer to uscale my DVDs to 720p and downscale my Blu-rays to 720p, as I noticed that my projector downscaled 1080i to 540p; there is lots less aliasing in 720p compared to 1080i. And I still haven't upgraded it to one of tne newer HD projectors with all the latest bells and whistles, as I (and the rest of my family, and friends) am fully satisfied with the image, which involves me in the story and the vision. The particular model has a reputedly good colour science which I feel reluctant to trade-off for higher resolution, which I could get for half of the price today that I spent on it 12 years ago. I did a major shootout with it, just after that I had bought it, comparing it to much more expensive and brand new HD projectors (my projector already was and older model when I bought it), and it did very well impressing many present. It has a very sharp Zeiss lens, so I even have the focus off a bit to soften the image and take away some of the low res grid pattern. I have no plans of buying a new one, as I love the image. So yes, it is good to be content with what one has, as there is a tendency in the film business, both at the producing end and the receiving end, to get the latest gimmick. It is good to take a deep breath, calm down and actually reconcile oneself with what one has, and take pleasure from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.Mitchell View Post
    Anyone who claims that they don't see that difference has never seen good 4k source material on a 4k screen. Period.
    2K Super 16 has it's place, and that's mostly outside these technical discussions, where such things simply matter much less than content. Technically you are right, but how much does that really matter?
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